Ep.106 Europe’s Role In the Battle For an Orderly World - Disorder Live

Disorder Podcast live event held at RUSI on 11 March 2025

Disorder Podcast live event held at RUSI on 11 March 2025


Join us for key moments from Disorder's inaugural live event at RUSI, where experts debate the US's strategy under Trump and Europe's role in global security.

In this special episode of Disorder, you can hear some of the highlights from our first ever live show event at RUSI. Jason Pack was first joined on stage by his fellow co-hosts, Alex Hall Hall, Jane Kinninmont and Arthur Snell. The panel discussed how they experience 'disorder' in their own lives, as well as what they perceive makes this historic period novel.  

In the second segment, Arthur and Jason were joined by Neil Melvin, RUSI’s Director of International Security. They discussed if Trump actually has a grand strategy and is deliberately accelerating the long durée US pivot to Asia or if he is merely a strategic-less deliberate Disorderer. Then the trio looked at the role Europe plays in global security, while Neil and Jason had an agreeable - and not even staged - disagreement about the ideal position the UK can play in global security: should the UK continue cozying up to the US? Or seek to counterbalance it by forging new relationships and convening a coalition of 'orderers'?

Lastly, the recording ends with a Lord of the Rings-themed question from a 'Mega-Ordering' audience member.  

If you would like to hear the rest of the audience questions and have access to the full recording, please join the paid-for Substack.

Producer: George McDonagh

Executive Producer: Neil Fearn

CreditJason Pack and fellow co-hosts Alex Hall Hall, Jane Kinninmont and Arthur Snell
CreditArthur Snell with Jason Pack and Neil Melvin

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Jason Pack

RUSI Associate Fellow; Host of the Disorder Podcast

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Arthur Snell

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Dr Neil Melvin

Director, International Security

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